Is there any way to make the Thorn trilogy "fit"?

[SoulOfVoorhees]

With the last two entries, I mean.

The biggest problem posed in making the two "series" fit in terms of continuity is the dilemma of Jamie's not knowing that she had a brother. She's only a year or so older than Josh Hartnett's character in H20, and should know that she had (or had had) a brother.

My proposal is what I call the "Padmé solution": on receiving word of her second pregnancy, Laurie became convinced that Michael would come after her children (perhaps thanks to some hormonal imbalance). Knowing that he'd eventually get them if she staid in Haddonfield, she (with the help of the Witness Protection Program) feigned her death in a car accident, moving one with her out to California under an assumed name and leaving the other behind in Haddonfield. It might not make altogether that much sense, leaving Jamie in Michael's hometown, but I see a pretty close similarity with Obi-wan and Yoda's plan in Star Wars: Episode III: if Michael assumed Laurie dead, he'd either believe that her children died with her or begin to hunt for her away from Haddonfield under the belief that they'd both be with her. And so, when the medic let it slip that Jamie was still living in Haddonfield, Michael had no more reason to pretend to be comatose and awoke.


also:

Survivor of Halloween Murders Killed in Auto Accident, By Mary - Austin Klein: Staff Writer

Longtime Haddonfield resident Laurie Strode, survivor of the so-called "Halloween" mass murders in 1978, was killed yesterday in an auto accident.

Police estimate Miss Strode was traveling an excess of 80 miles an hour when she failed to navigate a curve on Highway 78 near Pantherville and slammed into a tree. The posted speed limit is 45. Eyewitnesses reported the late model sedan had been driving erratically before the accident occurred.

Friends had no explanation for the reckless behavior of Miss Strode reporting that she had been "the happiest of her life" in recent weeks.

This is the third incident this year on this stretch of highway. Despite that statistic, highway officials blame each accident on driver error.

A reference to a pregnancy, perhaps?

There are other difficulties, of course, but given that we know - from the opening sequence of H2O - that Michael had killed between the second and seventh films, it's plausible. There are other difficulties, however, that I'll try to touch on later.

[Batty!]

If you look on wikipedia for the Halloween series, it regards it as one whole series, not a Thorn series and a Thornless series.  Personally, I find it hard to think that Laurie would abandon one child and not the other.

[Kat]

If you look on wikipedia for the Halloween series, it regards it as one whole series, not a Thorn series and a Thornless series.  Personally, I find it hard to think that Laurie would abandon one child and not the other.

Yeah, same here.

Not to mention, I believe that in the beginning of Pt. 4 Jamie is talking to Rachel and they say its been like a year or something since Laurie died (could be totally wrong on this). I mean, we saw how psycho she was in H20 to even let John go anywhere and that was 20yrs later.

[DeadBeatNubbins]

I remember there being a short lived Halloween comic series which regarded the whole series as continuity, except Resurrection. The reason is at the time only H20 had been released but even then the ending of the comics totally disregards the idea of Resurrection taking place. It even brings back some characters and themes featured in Part 6.

[NancyThompson]

If you look on wikipedia for the Halloween series, it regards it as one whole series, not a Thorn series and a Thornless series.  Personally, I find it hard to think that Laurie would abandon one child and not the other.

Yeah, same here.

Not to mention, I believe that in the beginning of Pt. 4 Jamie is talking to Rachel and they say its been like a year or something since Laurie died (could be totally wrong on this). I mean, we saw how psycho she was in H20 to even let John go anywhere and that was 20yrs later.

Yep Kat you right. So there is no way part H20 and part 8 fit with The Thorn storyline

[Kat]

Yep Kat you right. So there is no way part H20 and part 8 fit with The Thorn storyline

Well, Thorn could fit in without any issues. The "cult" was just a cult who wanted to control Myers, but Myers was uncontrollable - we see this when he attacks the Dr's in the room. Kills them all. He didn't want to be controlled, thus...he was never officially part of thorn.

In the beginning of Pt. 6 they say Jamie and Myers were missing for what, six years? So during that time lets say the cult tried to convert Myers and it was just impossible.

Who knows though. . .

I still don't buy that Laurie would leave Jamie behind but take her son.

[It's me..... Billy]

This is why I hate it when filmmakers disregard the continuity simply because the past films weren't exactly all that good.  Whether they were good or not is not the point.  The point is that they existed beforehand, and are here to stay whether anyone likes it or not.  They shouldn't have fucked with the continuity in H20.

[Jason Forever]

Yeah I agree, I hate the whole well we fucked up, lets start all over again...and again..and again... ugh

[NancyThompson]

This is why I hate it when filmmakers disregard the continuity simply because the past films weren't exactly all that good.  Whether they were good or not is not the point.  The point is that they existed beforehand, and are here to stay whether anyone likes it or not.  They shouldn't have fucked with the continuity in H20.

Well if i remember right there was something like this on an old Halloween message board say that Jamie Lee was the one who wanted to drop the Thorn storyline. She did not think the Halloween Sequles was good after part 2 and she hated what they did with part 4-6.

I do not know if this is true or not since i have never heard about it from any other boards just on an old halloween board i think it was from the old Excape to Haddenfiled board. i could be wrong.

Also i hated that they ingore part 4-6 but i could see why H20 would ingore the movie because part 6 total ruin michael myers that and part 5.  Now Part 4 that was the best Halloween movie since the first one and i wish they could had made H20 after part 4 just ingore part 5 & 6 but i could not see Laurie leaving Jamie and taking John with her. Laurie was not the kind of person that would leave one child and take the other one with her since in H20 she really did not think Michael was dead and she was very overprocted of John because she always though Micahel would find her and kill her & John

[It's me..... Billy]

This is why I hate it when filmmakers disregard the continuity simply because the past films weren't exactly all that good.  Whether they were good or not is not the point.  The point is that they existed beforehand, and are here to stay whether anyone likes it or not.  They shouldn't have fucked with the continuity in H20.

Well if i remember right there was something like this on an old Halloween message board say that Jamie Lee was the one who wanted to drop the Thorn storyline. She did not think the Halloween Sequles was good after part 2 and she hated what they did with part 4-6.

I do not know if this is true or not since i have never heard about it from any other boards just on an old halloween board i think it was from the old Excape to Haddenfiled board. i could be wrong.

Also i hated that they ingore part 4-6 but i could see why H20 would ingore the movie because part 6 total ruin michael myers that and part 5.  Now Part 4 that was the best Halloween movie since the first one and i wish they could had made H20 after part 4 just ingore part 5 & 6 but i could not see Laurie leaving Jamie and taking John with her. Laurie was not the kind of person that would leave one child and take the other one with her since in H20 she really did not think Michael was dead and she was very overprocted of John because she always though Micahel would find her and kill her & John

Well that still goes back to my original point.  

Whether they were good or not isn't the issue.  Personal taste should not get in the way of well established continuity.  Once a film has been made, there is no pretending it doesn't exist since it does.  

Unless someone comes along and starts over completely from scratch a la Zombieween, then messing with the continuity just makes things worse.  You can't force people to just forget about past sequels like that.  Some people actually liked 4, 5, and 6.  So making these films are for the fans are they not?

So if Jamie Lee Curtis is responsible for that, then she of course is to blame.  Leave personal taste out of it, and just figure out a storyline that can generate from 6 except make a better film.  Flex those creative muscles instead of going the easy route.

[Kat]

I too remember hearing that Jamie Lee wouldn't do it for certain reasons.

She didn't want the movies without her included, and she wanted John Carpenter back. The John thing didn't happen, but of course ignoring the others did.

[SoulOfVoorhees]

Halloween 6 doesn't "ruin" Michael Myers. We've known that he's had some sort of connection with the pagan aspects of the holiday since the second film - 'Samhain'. Purist fanboy bitching aside, nothing shown in any of the three films is incompatible with the first movie.

[Batty!]

Halloween 6 doesn't "ruin" Michael Myers. We've known that he's had some sort of connection with the pagan aspects of the holiday since the second film - 'Samhain'. Purist fanboy bitching aside, nothing shown in any of the three films is incompatible with the first movie.

Actually it is.  What happens in Halloween 4,5,6 will fit in with Halloween II.  Halloween II doesn't even fit in with Halloween.  They had to retell the same story and force this samhain sister story arc into it that had nothing to do with the original film.  If he wanted Laurie dead why not kill her?  Why kill Annie and Bob and Lynda?  There was no sister connection in the first movie.  Technically none of the sequels fit the original.

The Thorn trilogy as you put it can fit though.  If Halloween II is allowed to fit, than 4,5,6 is allowed to fit.  I just don't know how it works with 7 and 8.

[SoulOfVoorhees]

Actually it is.  What happens in Halloween 4,5,6 will fit in with Halloween II.

Of course it does - we're given an explanation as to what happened to Michael after the fire (it wasn't as bad as it appeared to be and he survived, in a coma). Halloween: H20 doesn't even do us this service.

If he wanted Laurie dead why not kill her?  Why kill Annie and Bob and Lynda?

Think about it: doesn't it make sense that he'd not kill her if there were some connection between the two? Perhaps he had something else in mind: perhaps, under the duress of Thorn, he intended to do something rather more perverse with her, as he did to Jamie. The Thorn concept actually helps here to gloss over several of the issues I have with suspending my disbelief while viewing the original.

[Batty!]

Think about it: doesn't it make sense that he'd not kill her if there were some connection between the two? Perhaps he had something else in mind: perhaps, under the duress of Thorn, he intended to do something rather more perverse with her, as he did to Jamie. The Thorn concept actually helps here to gloss over several of the issues I have with suspending my disbelief while viewing the original.

Perhaps, but still he's Michael fucking Myers.  If he wants Laurie dead, he just kills her.  He wants to kidnap her for some perverse reason, he just does it.  I don't see why he would need to pussy foot around killing other teenagers (how about Mrs. Elrod's neighbor Alice in Halloween II?) unless he wanted too because he was deranged.  Like I said, if they allow Halloween II to fit in to the new storyline (1,2,7,8) than there certainly is a way to make Halloween 4,5,6 fit into that story line.  All I'm saying is this:  none of the Halloween sequels, including II, seem to match up with the original.  It almost feels like there was this movie, Halloween.  And there was this completely different movie, Halloween II and all it's related sequels.

People talk about the two story lines in the Halloween movies being 1,2,4,5,6 and 1,2,7,8.  I see the two story lines like this: 1 and 2,4,5,6,7,8.